i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.
couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.
i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.
Jesus was not supossed to die, but since he did, Paul needed to re-write the story, even if it made no sense. 2 billion people today buy Paul's version of christianity.
It reminds me of 1914 being the end of the world, but since it didn't happen Rutherford re-wrote the story, which became Jesus parousia. Today 7 million people buy that story. In theological terms, not much difference between JW's and other christians. They both go for non-sense as long as you can insert the word LOVE somewhere.
witnoid e-mails goin around.. all i can say is wtf.. japan assembly experience.
date: tue, 22 jan 2008 15:58:51 -0500. .
convention experience from japan!
Never made it to any year book-- not that the year book has high standards---, but at least it confirms that it is fiction. As someone else said, even if it true, it only proves how mentally messed up some converts are.
i found this on youtube...very good example of twisted reasoning by elders.. .
recorded conversations with elders by a former pioneer....a series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw8amuphqis.
marked
something happened this week to make me think about this again.. it feels like all bets are off and i really don't know what a good person is anymore.. when i left the jws i was so sure i knew what it meant to be a good person.. this has been revised many times since.. i tend to favour the utilitarian approach, the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.. sometimes you have to stick your neck out and say this is not good for me no matter what others may feel they need from me.. no idea where i'm going with this maybe this is a breakthrough in my life or maybe that glass of wine was stronger than i thought!.
any thoughts?.
Hell no, I am not innately good. I am only human. I am selfish, egocentric and proud. But I have been trained to be good, or rather act good since birth by society's dogmas and rules. There's few out there, however, who are born good. They are our leaders who keep us from self destruction. I believe my 14 year old son belongs to this category.
i wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to alltimejeff, who i have come to find out had turned in his letter of da, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently.
for those not knowing, atf was a 2005 gilead graduate, bethelite, missionary.
they mean the leadership.
Splash, Wasblind
Read my post again. Focus on my first sentence.
ATJ is preaching to the choir. I have read Carl Olof Jonsson's two books and half of his website, James Penton's Apocalypse Delayed, Raymond Franz' two books, Doug Mason website, JW Facts website. I have also attended JW's meetings and conventions for many years. I have read their books of Revelation (the red book), The Finished Mystery, and many other wacky books and publications. I don't disagree with ATJ, the problem is that his piece lacks supporting evidence.
The opening piece is missing exactly what you are providing, evidence, evidence, evidence. Thank you
i wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to alltimejeff, who i have come to find out had turned in his letter of da, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently.
for those not knowing, atf was a 2005 gilead graduate, bethelite, missionary.
they mean the leadership.
I am sure I can agree with most, maybe all of what ATJ said. The problem is that it all sounds like opinion without supporting evidence. What makes Carl Olof Jonsson and Raymonfd Franz so reliable is that they offer supporting evidence for their claims. I know this is a brief discourse in an internet forum, and therefore I don't expect a book to be presented, but the specifics are missing.
been wanting to talk about this for a while... three years ago on this forum my friend cedars brought this up.
let's do it!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sykaxxpyos.
Great idea. Problem is that the audience is too small to recover cost, let alone make a profit.
hello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.
i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).
recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).
You are young. Don't commit to this relationship unless she is out too. It won't work. Your learning the TTATT reduces your chances of being in a happy relationship with a commited JW.
okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.
i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.
we're in love and seriously want to be together.
Tread slowly. Don't commit until you know that she has a good chance to be mentally out. The physical exit will follow.
the debut of our beloved bu2b's ttatt talk in his local congo.... .
in case you missed the original thread here is the link.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/277530/1/i-need-help-talk-coming-up-and-i-need-ideas-fast#.uz4m36hdwxq.
Great! Expect a talk from the elders...Nah... It would be an admission that the ORG false prophesied.
